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ATF/Afterrun OIL/Tin IT Assist Memove Carbon Buildup?
12-21-2006, 08:44 PM
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ATF/Afterrun OIL/Can IT Help Memove Carbon Buildup?
Years ago when I was ambitious I worked role time as an automechanic and ofter we would go automobile engines with carbon buildup on elevation of piston or a slice of carbon that had broken off and was causing the engine to knock as information technology hammered the head and valves. We would cascade a quart of Automated Transmition Fluid ATF in the carb as it was running and this would soften the carbon and then revup the motor some and take it out on the road and run total throttle to blow carbon out as it smoked like a tar kiln. Express joy as you may just information technology does soften carbon some and it will work sometimes in a machine. If yous think about information technology if it didn't piece of work the engine would require a teardown and rebuild.
Having said all that I believe it softens carbon in RC engines too merely haven't confirmed this. My qiestion is, have any of you lot that employ AFT noticed any carbon on top of your piston on tear down. And for the people that don't use AFT as afterrun oil have you lot noticed carbon buildup. I would make an interesting experiment to accept an engine with carbon and see if the ATF would help accident this stuff of. Personall I use AFT as afterrun oil everytime I fly and take never had carbon buiild up that I tin can tell. I notice carbon on elevation of piston etc. but not built upward like some people accept. Any idea on this perplexing issue.
12-21-2006, 09:06 PM
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How-do-you-do Buzz,
I use ATF to shop engines, period. I am familiar with the Utilise of ATF for sticking Hyd. Lifters and rings in auto engines. I agree, it works.
In removing deposits in Nitro engines, most likley information technology would soften them at least a little. Remember in vehicle engines you lot ran it for at least 500 miles or more than. I think some benifit would be had with ATF but I doubt in that location will be anyhow to measure the results.
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Yard'day Mate,
Be careful using only ATF as a subsequently run oil, it has almost no lubricating qualities, on information technology's own, only is ideal for soaking upwards whatever moisture.
There will be heaps of replys to this, pointing out most gearboxes & such, merely the gears are floating in the stuff & nosotros use a few drops.
And then mix some lubricating oil, 50/50 eg. air tool oil, used in very high reving air tools & is cheap & very effective or one of your marvel mystery oils, that I don't think nosotros take here in AUS.
This will assistance with bearing lube, at side by side start upwards.
PS. the carbon build up in petrol engines, is different to the varnish build-upward, from castor oil. So don't look ARO, to remove information technology.
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RE: ATF/Afterrun OIL/Can Information technology Help Memove Carbon Buildup?
Merely this week I went over to a race automobile driver in my town to buy some methanol from him for $three a gallong. While over in that location I asked him if he knew of any oil that would blend with methanol considering I knew that Klotz Super Techniplate from Belfry was $ix a quart. He told me that Marvel Mystery Oil would blend with methanol. Has anyone tried blending Marvel Oil with methanol in a container?
I am enlightened that carbon from motorcar engines would have a dissimilar compound/cloth etc. than carbon from Castor/Methanol/Constructed. I don't know if ATF softens it or non. All I know is that I don't have carbon on top of my pistons like some people even on an engine that had thirty+ gallons through it.
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Marvel Mystery Oil is a marvelous upper cylinder lubricant, and would probably keep the model engine lubricated when mixed with methanol. The concern would be in how well it dissipates oestrus, and that'south what's almost as important, or maybe simply as of import, as how well it lubricates. That's where castor excels. I wouldn't utilize annihilation simply brush, or at least a blend of brush and synthetic. Opinions may vary.............Glen
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Origin of kickoff post is very interesting.I likewise will be glad to hear whatsoever quick dissolver,eliminator of carbon build ups because I am using total castor and I see a good carbon buildup on acme of my SK fifty piston.(about 8 hours running time).Also what is your opinion about carbon buildups?
Lean or rich running causes this,using 20% full castor?
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G'day Turk,
Using Castor causes this buildup.
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Bob Marvel oil is used as a suplement and not used by itself. It is alot of detergents and not oil base of operations stock. If I get a gummed up engine and cook in antifreeze and the piston ring is still stuck . I put three-in-1 oil in cylinder and let stand a few days and it loosens ring . Hither is the cheapest place I purchase KLOTZ and Benall castor oils. My brother uses them and gets information technology shipped to Florida .
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G'mean solar day Turk,
Using Castor causes this buildup.
Cheers ANZAC.Y'all mean no need to torture engine to have such a build up,natural result..?
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Constructed oil every bit used in our model engines would piece of work improve than any petroleum based oil. It will desolve some of the castor varnish in our engines, merely y'all don't want to remove all of information technology, and then run a gallon of 100% constructed to help remove carbon which is really excessive castor varnish. Both ATF and MMO are petroleum based oils. MMO is a alloy of naptha based oil and stoddard solvent, it has picayune lubricating qualities. ATF is a multi viscosity oil and an excellent lubricant, you can even run an engine with nothing but ATF, but it is thinner than motor oil, but works good in the winter. Neither desolves h2o.
Every bit long as the varnish is non congenital up enough to bit off and is not gummy it actually helps to lubricate your engine. However a heavy build up may cause rings to stick, it may also carbonize and flake off creating hot spots which tin crusade pre ignition.
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I believe that ATF used as afterrun oil might even prevent whatsoever accumulations from forming on the internal surfaces of the the engine. I remember if used on evey flying session it might non even build up at all. I haven't seen any indications on the few occasions I have dissasembled my engines (don't believe in dissasembly unless neccessary). I do see the light coloration of carbons similar brown or blackish colour but no deposits. I haven't heard anyone reporting this here but all in all employ it anyhow equally it does a wonderful jow of preventing rust. I have never seen the rust in any of my engines due to the ATF. The stuff is just besides cheap not to use it as a quart will last for a year or more than depenging of you flight time.
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ATF is a multi viscosity oil and an excellent lubricant, you can even run an engine with nil but ATF, simply it is thinner than motor oil, but works good in the winter.
Do Non Do This! Anyone doing this is asking for trouble and shortened engine life. Having retired from the world's largest condiment supplier for engine oils and ATFs, trust me on this one. ATF does non have the same anti-clothing additives - zinc dithiophosphate - that is used in engine oils for one, and has completely different antioxidants, detergents/dispersants and frictional properties also. There are quite good reasons that an ATF formulation is completely unlike from an engine oil - for example, an ATF doesn't have to deal with combustion byproducts that an engine oil needs to control, an ATF doesn't have to protect against the loftier loading that causes wear in such places equally the interface between the cam and lifters, etc.
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Newc, is right, ATF is not a proficient oil for long term use. But it is a expert lubicant, and your car engine volition not blow upward if you put naught but ATF in it. Some put a small amount in their engines considering information technology may aid pump up lifters. Just information technology is an first-class lubricant, in fact it has even been used in some manual transmissions. It lubricates the differential in many front wheel transaxles.
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I worked a menstruation in Toyota shop, there are AFT used both in automatic transmission and transmission transmission. Why in transmission transmission? ATF improve gearing properties in colder expanse.
An at present i am Peugeot mechanic and Peugeot 305, 205 and 505 are using motoroil in manual gearbox and some models has engine and gearbox builded togheter and running in aforementioned motoroil. 
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I would agree that ATF shouldn't be used for motor lubricant but the topic is> used equally an afterrun oil, can it be beneficial. It doesn't remain in engine long later startup but I am not certain how long that would be. The lubricating poperties must not hurt glow engines as many former timers believe in it and I haven't seen any negative effects of this oil. Even some engine manufactures say use afterrun oil.
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I accept never had a problem with using ATF other than it's flushing out when the engine is re-started after storage. Information technology takes a footling time for it to get abroad.
As far equally engine damage, I doubt it as you take the oil in the fuel to take intendance of lubrication. I use ATF here in the NW where we have rain, snow and moisture nigh of the fourth dimension, engines left unattended volition accept bearing impairment given time, if not treated with some blazon of after run oil.
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The only engine that I take e'er had carbon problems with was an onetime ST60, the top of the baffle would collect carbon and contact the head, the rest of the parts were relatively clean. I always flush my engines with ATF or TCW3 cut with military camp fuel and Im not certain how well it softens carbon. If your serious about softening carbon try a product called Aero-Kroil. Many height shooters say information technology works great in their barrels.
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My comments above advising to non use ATF as an engine lubricant were strictly in response to the earlier post suggesting the utilise of ATF as an automotive engine oil. Every bit a model engine subsequently run oil ATF would be satisfactory though whenever I use an after run oil I apply Marvel Mystery Oil. One caution is to not utilise either of these fluids as an after run oil with YS engines due to the seals in those engines.
Kweasel - The use of TC-W3 oil for an after run oil may be the best suggestion. For those not familiar with this oil, it is that which is used in two-stroke outboard marine engines. Of the oils suggested, it is the only one that has specific additives for prevention of rust while in storage - ATF does not have this sort of condiment.
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Gentlemen,I think the theme of topic has been distorted some manner.BuzzingB was asking for any additive to remove carbon buildup in the combustion chamber-top of the piston while running the engine without the need of disassembly. Does nyone has an feel adding some kind of detergent to fuel could help?I know lube oils has detergent additives besides.
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Of the oils suggested, information technology is the only one that has specific additives for prevention of rust while in storage - ATF does not have this sort of additive.
I have been using ATF and marvel Mystery oil (50/50 mixture) as an after-run since Clarence mentioned it many years ago. Also, at that place was an article in ane of the mags. (Flying Models?) likewise many years ago which reported that ATF was i of the best corrosion preventatives made.
Clarence besides reported at ane time that many of the model engine manufacturers used ATF as the associates fluid.
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I like ATF because Information technology'S Inexpensive AND IT WORKS.
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RE: ATF/Afterrun OIL/Can IT Help Memove Carbon Buildup?
I all the same stick with Mobil one synthetic motor oil. It's (relatively) cheap and have never had a begetting failure due to corrosion.
To see why Mobil one is so proficient, but put a few drops on a make clean sheet of metal and come back a couple of days afterwards -- it spreads out across the whole surface all by itself -- leaving a very thin film that doesn't dry and has good resistance to moisture.
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Origin of first post is very interesting.I besides will be glad to hear whatsoever quick dissolver,eliminator of carbon build ups because I am using total castor and I see a adept carbon buildup on peak of my SK fifty piston.(about 8 hours running time).Also what is your opinion well-nigh carbon buildups?
Lean or rich running causes this,using 20% total castor?
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Some varnish build-up with brush oil is normal, but this should only be a very light build-upwards. Heavy build-ups of varnish when using brush points to either running the engine likewise lean, or having "hot-spots" in the engine, due to blueprint idiosyncrasies.
I've ever felt that it was easier to remove varnish than to supplant metallic, which is usually what happens with oils that keeps everything squeaky-clean within of the engine. Information technology would take a lot of convincing to motion my opinion on this topic, such as a lot of hands-on experience with a synthetic oil that did not let noticable engine wear while keeping the engine squeaky clean. Were in that location such an oil, and there very well might be (Motul), I would be eager to employ it.
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I utilise equal parts of MMO, rislone, and mercon5. Mix and use.
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